paskal
01-27 09:13 PM
Now how do you know that, do you check their passports or do you ask them point blank about their origin. Or do you try to place them by their accent. Obviously not. The only way you can make such a blanket statement and attach an "immigrant of some variety" lable is by the looks alone. My friend, the last ten pages are precisly about such issues. Also, it is quite possible for a third generation Indian/Pakisani, a true Brit nevertheless, to work at Heathrow ... and If I borrowed your eyes for a minute, I see only an immigrant invading the country.
i'm as indian as you are and have been through LON more than once and it's more than obvious that it's staffed by recent immigrants- from their speech and from the casual use of native language all around. i think the point that was being made though was that any "racism" you perceive at LON is not from the maligned "white brit". hope you got that point...
now if this is going to be the tenor of this discussion i will be happy to close this thread. please keep this objective and free of finger pointing and prejudice. and please everyone...think before posting.
i'm as indian as you are and have been through LON more than once and it's more than obvious that it's staffed by recent immigrants- from their speech and from the casual use of native language all around. i think the point that was being made though was that any "racism" you perceive at LON is not from the maligned "white brit". hope you got that point...
now if this is going to be the tenor of this discussion i will be happy to close this thread. please keep this objective and free of finger pointing and prejudice. and please everyone...think before posting.
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addsf345
01-04 01:34 PM
any updates on this issue? any meeting with CIS officials? Please share latest updates.
kewlchap
10-10 06:33 PM
Folks,
Got the email about being registered as a new permanent resident on Oct 8th. Thanks to SoP, caliguy, fatjoe and all others on the forum who helped / gave me support. I essentially learned that USCIS will not move quickly on their own, they need to be pursued just like any other govt. office in India. I give my time line below for an idea of what I did. If anyone is waiting still, I sincerely think that you should do all of POJ/SR/Infopass/Senator/Ombudsman.
Timeline:
Sept 1st - became current
Sept 5th - contacted NSC several times through POJ. Finally, a very nice lady told me that my case was not even assigned to an officer. Said that she will send in a request to the contractor to pull my case out and get it assigned to an officer.
Sept 11th - Case pulled out of storage area and moved to a smaller waiting room [got this info later, but this is what had happened]
Sept 13th: Opened SR.
Sept 18th - Infopass: Told me that my case was assigned to an officer on Sept 11th (which was wrong really) and that I should wait 30 days. Also told me that my FP were renewed on March 9th and all my checks were clear.
Sept 20th: Contacted Senator's office. Said they will send in inquiry.
Sept 25: Response to SR. Case under review. Wait 30 days.
Sept 27th: Letter from Senator saying my case was under review and I need to wait 30 days.
Oct 2nd: Contacted NSC again through POJ method. A nice lady, Terry, told me that my case was assigned to officer on Sept 30th. She said, "your case was pulled out of storage and put in a rather large holding area where it was till Sept 30th." Also confirmed that my FP was renewed and other checks were clear. Said, just wait, it will happen soon.
Oct 6th: Sent 7001 form to USCIS Ombudsman.
Oct 8th: Got decision email.
Learnings: Pursue your case as much as you can. Call NSC, but be polite. They are usually in good mood on Thu/Friday evenings and if you make some small talk, they will help you. I kept records of which NSC IO is rude and if they picked up the next time, I would just keep the phone down. In fact, the lady who helped me remembered me 'coz I managed to reach her 3 times. Dont just ask for status, say that you have called in the past and so far you know xxxx about your case. Some IOs are nice, some are rude. Nice ones actually tried to explain the entire storage area, holding area, supervisor supply chain to me. I think I kind of understand the process that happens at NSC just through these conversations now. Approach Ombudsman asap with form 7001. Call your Senator office and ask to speak to the immigration person. They are very understanding and will help you.
Long-ish email, but thought that I will put it out there, and it might help someone stuck in this morass. If you need more info, ask me / PM me. I will be around these forums for some more time.
Got the email about being registered as a new permanent resident on Oct 8th. Thanks to SoP, caliguy, fatjoe and all others on the forum who helped / gave me support. I essentially learned that USCIS will not move quickly on their own, they need to be pursued just like any other govt. office in India. I give my time line below for an idea of what I did. If anyone is waiting still, I sincerely think that you should do all of POJ/SR/Infopass/Senator/Ombudsman.
Timeline:
Sept 1st - became current
Sept 5th - contacted NSC several times through POJ. Finally, a very nice lady told me that my case was not even assigned to an officer. Said that she will send in a request to the contractor to pull my case out and get it assigned to an officer.
Sept 11th - Case pulled out of storage area and moved to a smaller waiting room [got this info later, but this is what had happened]
Sept 13th: Opened SR.
Sept 18th - Infopass: Told me that my case was assigned to an officer on Sept 11th (which was wrong really) and that I should wait 30 days. Also told me that my FP were renewed on March 9th and all my checks were clear.
Sept 20th: Contacted Senator's office. Said they will send in inquiry.
Sept 25: Response to SR. Case under review. Wait 30 days.
Sept 27th: Letter from Senator saying my case was under review and I need to wait 30 days.
Oct 2nd: Contacted NSC again through POJ method. A nice lady, Terry, told me that my case was assigned to officer on Sept 30th. She said, "your case was pulled out of storage and put in a rather large holding area where it was till Sept 30th." Also confirmed that my FP was renewed and other checks were clear. Said, just wait, it will happen soon.
Oct 6th: Sent 7001 form to USCIS Ombudsman.
Oct 8th: Got decision email.
Learnings: Pursue your case as much as you can. Call NSC, but be polite. They are usually in good mood on Thu/Friday evenings and if you make some small talk, they will help you. I kept records of which NSC IO is rude and if they picked up the next time, I would just keep the phone down. In fact, the lady who helped me remembered me 'coz I managed to reach her 3 times. Dont just ask for status, say that you have called in the past and so far you know xxxx about your case. Some IOs are nice, some are rude. Nice ones actually tried to explain the entire storage area, holding area, supervisor supply chain to me. I think I kind of understand the process that happens at NSC just through these conversations now. Approach Ombudsman asap with form 7001. Call your Senator office and ask to speak to the immigration person. They are very understanding and will help you.
Long-ish email, but thought that I will put it out there, and it might help someone stuck in this morass. If you need more info, ask me / PM me. I will be around these forums for some more time.
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BharatPremi
09-24 01:47 PM
Bharatpremi,
Thanks for the excellent analysis. One question, your analysis assumes category excess visas goto next category on a per country basis, is this correct ?
Ans: Yes. In reality nobody is sure how USCIS is spilling over, vertical way, the way which I have assumed here OR horizontal way as per your belief OR combination of both.
Example, EB-1 china number goto EB-2 China ? I thought all EB-1 China numbers are added to the excess pool and then given to most retrogressed EB2 category ?
Thanks for anyone who clarifies this.
No matter how the data is sliced and diced, being EB3-I certainly means a loo...ong wait time ... :) yes , agreed. No matter how you slice or dice, EB3-I is and will always be "Sautan Ke Chhore" (Step Sons/daughters):)
Thanks for the excellent analysis. One question, your analysis assumes category excess visas goto next category on a per country basis, is this correct ?
Ans: Yes. In reality nobody is sure how USCIS is spilling over, vertical way, the way which I have assumed here OR horizontal way as per your belief OR combination of both.
Example, EB-1 china number goto EB-2 China ? I thought all EB-1 China numbers are added to the excess pool and then given to most retrogressed EB2 category ?
Thanks for anyone who clarifies this.
No matter how the data is sliced and diced, being EB3-I certainly means a loo...ong wait time ... :) yes , agreed. No matter how you slice or dice, EB3-I is and will always be "Sautan Ke Chhore" (Step Sons/daughters):)
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snathan
03-31 08:31 PM
Important information is available on this in the Donor Forum. VBKris77 have compiled the information from the previous analysis and the latest information released by Dept. of State and IV's recommendation.
But I am not allowed to post the information here...:D
But I am not allowed to post the information here...:D
Prashant
09-10 11:38 AM
Some one gave me a red for calling.
Called
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) 202- 225-2906 - Supports the bill
Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) 202-225-4695 - took the message
Rick Boucher (D-Va.) 202-225-3861 - took the message
Chris Cannon (R-Utah)202- 225-7751 - took the message
Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) 202-225-2216 - took the message
Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)202- 225-3265 - took the message
and calling others as well. Please stand up for this cause
Called
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) 202- 225-2906 - Supports the bill
Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) 202-225-4695 - took the message
Rick Boucher (D-Va.) 202-225-3861 - took the message
Chris Cannon (R-Utah)202- 225-7751 - took the message
Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) 202-225-2216 - took the message
Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)202- 225-3265 - took the message
and calling others as well. Please stand up for this cause
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appas123
08-16 12:06 PM
We received the snail mail welcome notice today after receiving the email ADIT stuff last Tuesday (August 10). That makes it five business days. On the notice it says that we should receive our permanent resident card within three weeks. Anybody who actually received it within three weeks?
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vkrishn
08-16 12:26 PM
Gurus and "New" Permanent Residents,
Did any one send a streamline email to NSC and did any get a better response then the "automatic script" response that you get from NSC?
If you did get a positive response then can you share on what exactly you had in the content of the email?
Thanks.
Did any one send a streamline email to NSC and did any get a better response then the "automatic script" response that you get from NSC?
If you did get a positive response then can you share on what exactly you had in the content of the email?
Thanks.
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sanjay
01-14 03:46 PM
Just sent my letter to WH and also IV. Also, my three friends had sent this letter to both WH and IV.
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english_august
07-11 01:08 AM
Please make the New York Times article and the Washington Post article the most viewed and most emailed articles on the site
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html
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sc3
08-22 12:49 PM
Some one gave me this comment saying
"You continue to undermine IV with your nonsensical posts. I understand you are frustrated, but your comments are counterproductie at best. You also don't seem to understand the law properly. Do some homework."
Show me where have I undermined IV efforts? And show me nonsensical or counterproductive posts that I have made -- that is, nonsensical or counterproductive to the cause of upholding the law (not pandering to a particular employment category/chargeability area).
I have done my homework, and I have understood the law properly. I have time and again given logical proof, along with the text of the law, as to why EB3 is eligible get the EB1 numbers at the same time as EB2. On the other hand none of the detractors have provided proof, or material that shows EB3 does not qualify.
And for all those holier-than-thou EB2, what is about the letter campaign to get NSC/TSC to process application according to PDs (no lawful basis for that), and asking the removal of NSC bosses and what not. You seem to have different standards when you are suffering, and when others are suffering. There is a word in the dictionary for that, look it up.
"You continue to undermine IV with your nonsensical posts. I understand you are frustrated, but your comments are counterproductie at best. You also don't seem to understand the law properly. Do some homework."
Show me where have I undermined IV efforts? And show me nonsensical or counterproductive posts that I have made -- that is, nonsensical or counterproductive to the cause of upholding the law (not pandering to a particular employment category/chargeability area).
I have done my homework, and I have understood the law properly. I have time and again given logical proof, along with the text of the law, as to why EB3 is eligible get the EB1 numbers at the same time as EB2. On the other hand none of the detractors have provided proof, or material that shows EB3 does not qualify.
And for all those holier-than-thou EB2, what is about the letter campaign to get NSC/TSC to process application according to PDs (no lawful basis for that), and asking the removal of NSC bosses and what not. You seem to have different standards when you are suffering, and when others are suffering. There is a word in the dictionary for that, look it up.
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singhsa3
08-20 10:29 PM
One question to all the smart people on this forum:
In the old system, if EB1, Eb2 and EB3 ROW are current then "all" unused visa from all the EB category be given to which category first:
a) EB1 Non Row
b) Eb2 Non Row
c) Eb3 Non Row
d) None of the above
Now second part of the question is :
If that category already has enough people in line, will the spillover to the next category will take place:
a) Yes
b) No
In the old system, if EB1, Eb2 and EB3 ROW are current then "all" unused visa from all the EB category be given to which category first:
a) EB1 Non Row
b) Eb2 Non Row
c) Eb3 Non Row
d) None of the above
Now second part of the question is :
If that category already has enough people in line, will the spillover to the next category will take place:
a) Yes
b) No
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jonty_11
06-21 02:22 PM
Let me help ArunANtonio here:
Here are links to similar discussions for the last week or so.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5392&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4998&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5341&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5125&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4974&highlight=working+couple
Here are links to similar discussions for the last week or so.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5392&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4998&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5341&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5125&highlight=working+couple
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4974&highlight=working+couple
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vinabath
07-10 10:13 AM
I still think, the USA is the best place for democracy loving people. Govt and its agencies try their best to be accountable to law. Now if you want our Immigration issue to be put before IRAQ in the Congress, I would think that is selfishness. I have colleagues whose sons are in IRAQ. For me their lives are more important than my GC. Now that does not mean we stop making our point to Congress.
PRECISELY My point. First it is IRAQ, then it will be the Presidential Elections then something else. The Government has NO time to question the USCIS and NO real motivation either.
PRECISELY My point. First it is IRAQ, then it will be the Presidential Elections then something else. The Government has NO time to question the USCIS and NO real motivation either.
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SunnySurya
08-07 11:27 AM
Thats fair and one compromise I am willing to make...
As I've mentioned in Rolling_Flood's thread, this issue has some merit and needs to be discussed. My personal take on this is that if you were eligible for an EB2 position at the time of filing the EB3 petition, you should be allowed to interfile..
As I've mentioned in Rolling_Flood's thread, this issue has some merit and needs to be discussed. My personal take on this is that if you were eligible for an EB2 position at the time of filing the EB3 petition, you should be allowed to interfile..
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rsharma
06-13 09:40 PM
I never said raising this issue is illegal. BTW I was not replying to "l1fraud". My comment was directed at "dilipcr" who is of the opinion that Grassley's bill is good and IV core and the forum should support it so that he can have a secure job.
BTW is l1fraud or others raising this issue out of love for law ? no way. That was my point.
The L1 visas done by the outsourcing companies are the main reason for the employment problem. These companies like TCS, Wipro etc.. bring people in L1A, L1B blamket visas to do the common development/Business Analysis/Project Management job in the client site.
There is no quota for L1 Visas. They can bring any # of people they want. Per law the L1A s should be of senior managerial position with at least 4 subordinates working under them in US and L1B should be of specific skill very important for the project and not available in US. But the most of the L1As from these companies are just programmers/BAsor small PMs. They are directly controlled by their client manager.
The main intent of these our sourcing companies is to send the employees on L1 and the employees are constantly told to somehow transfer the project to offshore.
The L1 frauds should defenitely be reported. I totally support this initiative to report the L1 frauds committed by these outrsourcing companies.
BTW is l1fraud or others raising this issue out of love for law ? no way. That was my point.
The L1 visas done by the outsourcing companies are the main reason for the employment problem. These companies like TCS, Wipro etc.. bring people in L1A, L1B blamket visas to do the common development/Business Analysis/Project Management job in the client site.
There is no quota for L1 Visas. They can bring any # of people they want. Per law the L1A s should be of senior managerial position with at least 4 subordinates working under them in US and L1B should be of specific skill very important for the project and not available in US. But the most of the L1As from these companies are just programmers/BAsor small PMs. They are directly controlled by their client manager.
The main intent of these our sourcing companies is to send the employees on L1 and the employees are constantly told to somehow transfer the project to offshore.
The L1 frauds should defenitely be reported. I totally support this initiative to report the L1 frauds committed by these outrsourcing companies.
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mariner5555
10-17 07:34 AM
One way to end his mis-information is to make a list of the companies who advertise on his show. After that we need to communicate with these companies about the lies he spews on his show and also threaten to boycott all their products, if they continue to sponsor his show.
Remember, I can't make a difference, you can't make a difference. But both of us can certainly make a difference.
my views exactly. this is what works in usa ..send letters to companies that sponsor his show. thats how it worked in don imus's case. if all immigrants boycott those products which sponsor his show ..dobbs will start fitting in his shant
Remember, I can't make a difference, you can't make a difference. But both of us can certainly make a difference.
my views exactly. this is what works in usa ..send letters to companies that sponsor his show. thats how it worked in don imus's case. if all immigrants boycott those products which sponsor his show ..dobbs will start fitting in his shant
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jayleno
10-28 08:03 PM
I just dropped the letters in the mailbox. Thanks to all the people behind this effort.
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whitecollarslave
03-26 01:04 PM
Yes, I am aware about this but in my case I do not have any written or tape recorded evidence. In other guy's case at least he have written proof (Capital One) and that can be the base. Now many companies are doing this so it is ofcourse my assumption that they can do this under "Hire and fire" authority.. And main problem is that, when you are out for a job, you do not stop thinking to takle particular one "no", you want to just move haead and fix your job first.. That is practical reality:)
I appreciate your point of view and bringing forth the practical reality in this situation. However, your attitude and tone, which seems to suggest that this is a lost cause and a helpless situation, is somewhat discouraging.
Nobody is suggesting that you drop your job search, drop everything, and file a law suit. What do you do? You go and find a job elsewhere, of course. You are right, the reality is that employers may ask you questions about your visa/immigration status. But there is a better way to handle such situations. Mark had posted some great tips on that. Even after all that, you may end up in a situation such as yours - where you mentioned that 5 employers told you that they will not hire somebody on EAD. You can remain quiet about it and go about your life, or you can do something about it. Its up to you.
Think about the visa delays, retrogression, etc. You could have stayed quiet and let the lawmakers, employers and the government deal with it or you could have done something about it. There is nothing "illegal" that the government is doing by making you wait years for a green card. But you did not sit quiet about it, did you? You joined the cause of IV, you wrote letters to the President, right?
Employers have the right to make a policy or a hiring decision that they want a person with certain skill set or experience, etc. They can find a tons of reasons not to interview or hire somebody. But race, gender, immigration status, etc. CANNOT be one of the reasons or criteria. This is my understanding of the law. I believe it is written in simple English that an employer CANNOT discriminate or make hiring decisions based on immigration status unless mandated by the job requirement (such as security clearance).
You are blindly assuming that whatever the employers are doing is within legal bounds, without questioning, even when the documents (see I-9 form, or DOL's web site for example) clearly state that such practices are illegal. (I am not a lawyer, this is my understanding of the law.) All I am saying is that if I were in this situation (denied on EAD), I would write to the heads of HR, ask a lawyer if this constitutes discrimination, call the OSC hot line, ask in the forums for employment law, contact ACLU or other civil rights groups. Heck, I am not affected by this (yet), and I still did some of the above because I have the urge to find out if this is indeed discrimination as viewed by the law and if so, do something about it. You don't need written evidence for any of these.
I appreciate your point of view and bringing forth the practical reality in this situation. However, your attitude and tone, which seems to suggest that this is a lost cause and a helpless situation, is somewhat discouraging.
Nobody is suggesting that you drop your job search, drop everything, and file a law suit. What do you do? You go and find a job elsewhere, of course. You are right, the reality is that employers may ask you questions about your visa/immigration status. But there is a better way to handle such situations. Mark had posted some great tips on that. Even after all that, you may end up in a situation such as yours - where you mentioned that 5 employers told you that they will not hire somebody on EAD. You can remain quiet about it and go about your life, or you can do something about it. Its up to you.
Think about the visa delays, retrogression, etc. You could have stayed quiet and let the lawmakers, employers and the government deal with it or you could have done something about it. There is nothing "illegal" that the government is doing by making you wait years for a green card. But you did not sit quiet about it, did you? You joined the cause of IV, you wrote letters to the President, right?
Employers have the right to make a policy or a hiring decision that they want a person with certain skill set or experience, etc. They can find a tons of reasons not to interview or hire somebody. But race, gender, immigration status, etc. CANNOT be one of the reasons or criteria. This is my understanding of the law. I believe it is written in simple English that an employer CANNOT discriminate or make hiring decisions based on immigration status unless mandated by the job requirement (such as security clearance).
You are blindly assuming that whatever the employers are doing is within legal bounds, without questioning, even when the documents (see I-9 form, or DOL's web site for example) clearly state that such practices are illegal. (I am not a lawyer, this is my understanding of the law.) All I am saying is that if I were in this situation (denied on EAD), I would write to the heads of HR, ask a lawyer if this constitutes discrimination, call the OSC hot line, ask in the forums for employment law, contact ACLU or other civil rights groups. Heck, I am not affected by this (yet), and I still did some of the above because I have the urge to find out if this is indeed discrimination as viewed by the law and if so, do something about it. You don't need written evidence for any of these.
bajrangbali
06-10 10:23 PM
You are doing the right thing. Fraud should be stopped. On top of that, it is directly affecting you and you have even more compelling reasons to take action against it. Good luck and keep us posted.
Posting the follow-up process you went through would help most other members who have been giving you overwhelming greens :rolleyes: take some action as well...
Posting the follow-up process you went through would help most other members who have been giving you overwhelming greens :rolleyes: take some action as well...
x1050us
09-09 07:06 PM
Got our magic emails today. Finally greened.